Official 10bit Notice
Remember this post?
Well the time has come; Both CCCP and CoreAVC now support 10bit.
Playback: (Note that you only need one of these, not all, to play 10bit)
CCCP
CoreAVC 3.0.1 (fixes a few things)
MPlayer(2)
MadVR
LAV Video
We won’t be labeling anything specifically as 10bit, because since when did we label anything anyways. Also if we did label anything it would be [10bit] and not [Hi10P] because Hi10P sounds retarded as fuck.
Edit@Tai:
I suggest everyone should read some research papers about hi10p at http://x264.nl/x264/ (Atm those last 3 .pdf’s at the bottom) before posting in this post in order to avoid embarrassing yourselves on teh internetz.
Arnavion edit:
Holy shit 500+ comments and it’s the same discussion over and over and FUCKING OVER again. Jesus H Christ do you know how annoying it is to go through butthurt after asspained butthurt comment and approve them all? Comments are FUCKING closed.
betsuni i didnt upgrade cccp just for you guys, okay? dont get it wrong… i just wanted to, OKAY? commie no baka. tsun!
Bring it on!
Insert something about Slowpoke here.
Cool. So next season will be all in 10bit?
my body is ready, yeah!
Thanks for the heads-up. One question: will you be switching to 10-bit midway for existing projects?
(I didn’t see mention of it in the linked post, so if it was covered elsewhere I apologize.)
No.
Actually, Core AVC 3.0 is broken .
And having many posts of errors and problems within its FIRST DAY…..
Doesn’t look stable to me at all
“Software is full of bugs in the first day so it must be shit hurr durr”.
They already released many fixes.
Dumb question: Do I have to upgrade CoreAVC too? I upgraded CCCP last month.
Nah.
Thanks.
>CoreAVC now supports 10bit.
hahahahahahahahahaha
You can’t really say that CoreAVC 3.0 supports 10bit as it’s broken/buggy as h*ll.
But it supports 10-bit. For about a minute that it functions until it crashes.
I use
K-Lite_Codec_Pack_770_Mega
works fine
I say drop 480p too, trololololo.
Daiz is the one that does that.
No, don’t drop it.
Now, it’s just a matter of time that we’ll have HW DXVA in Hi10P.
I don’t like seeing Task Manager Man dancing around.
CoreAVC 3.0 is way too buggy. I’m just going to stick with madVR for now.
Time to switch fansubs!
If you want Hi10P DXVA then keep dreaming.
What does the new 10-bit format get applied to exactly? I haven’t followed encoding standards for over ten years (ya I’m old) so I’m not following….. To me this is kinda like saying “we are applying green to the new Mustang”.
Means smaller file size and better perceived quality, but as long as support doesn’t get widespread also means headaches to everyone else who just wants to watch the files.
Because clicking a couple times to install the latest CCCP or MPlayer is so headache-inducing.
Unless your problem is trying to play stuff on plastic toys or ancient CPUs – can’t help you there. :V
Just look at the screencaps I’ve linked to in the reply at the post below before you spout crap. I’m using the latest xbmc from git, but downloaded mplayer2 binary(http://ftp.mplayer2.org/pub/release/mplayer2-2.0-linux-x86-glibc27.tar.bz2) for testing purposes and get the exact same result FYI.
>not svn
I must have been blind, since when is there a linux binary for mplayer2 with 10bit support (xcept on some distro, which I don’t have installed). I remember compiling the mplayer2 source when you first wrote about probably switching to 10bit.
>not svn
he said JEHOVA :D.
I found this which does a good job explaining why the bitrate decreases even though the encoding colour space size increases: http://figmentos.iblogger.org/10bit-encoding/
Fucktards does this shit work under Linux? Not everyone watches you releases on a Windows box.
And yes I have donated in the past.
MPlayer does 10bit I think.
Yep, use MPlayer2. Works great for me on Ubuntu.
If you compile from the latest sources it plays but with artifacts(using latest xbmc from git).
http://i56.tinypic.com/207vrs4.png
http://i52.tinypic.com/v6j39i.png
http://i56.tinypic.com/2e6fuqc.png
http://i52.tinypic.com/fao7pg.png
If you’re using an nvidia card, you’ll also need to disable vdpau as 10bit is entirely unsupported by hardware video decoding. The nvidia support staff as also indicated that none of their hardware supports it and they have no plans to support it at this time. There are still artifacts but significantly fewer. They will persist until the new ffmpeg release is merged into xbmc.
I’ve tried disabling vdpau in xbmc and running mplayer with “-vo=xv -vc ffh264″(software decoding and xv output) as well but nothing changed so it’s not vdpau causing this issue.
Xbmc should be using ffmpeg as opposed to mplayer for playback, if you’re using mplayer instead you need to update mplayer externally..
Compiled mplayer2 from git and can confirm it works with the aforementioned switches but then again it sucks loosing hardware decoding.
so what now? we have to get this to watch your releases now?
Smaller filesizes + Better quality. It’s win/win.
There still the encoding/decoding speed compromise. 10bit is pretty awesome, but dreamers gonna dream.
Looks cool, but gunna be a bit in the pain in the head. For some reason ever since I upgraded to the latest CCCP, Media Player Classic plays videos with the subs in a stupidly HUGE size in full screen mode, and out of it they’re still pretty big. Can’t figure out how to stop that (any ideas will be greatly appreciated).
As a result, I watch non Hi10P on WMP, which is fine, apart from that WMP has been unstable for me lately (not a coding issue, it crashes on loadup of files sometimes, including MP3s). But WMP doesn’t play Hi10P files at all, it’ll load, and then nothing.
If anyone can give some useful info on how to fix these I’ll be extremely grateful, I don’t really wanna watch anime with subs taking up 30% of the screen >_<
MPC > Options > Subtitles > Maximum texture resolution to 1280 x 720
Should fix your problem.
Nope… It’s still insanely huge :(
Additionally, if that doesn’t work, try deactivating default subtitle style. That can mess things up pretty badly.
GLORIOUS 10-BIT.
I’m not sure whether it’s you guys or Underwater that does the encoding for Nichijou, so do you know if that’ll be 10-bit, too?
That’s Daiz, it’ll still be 8-bit.
…if it ever gets done.
>10bit
You may have killed Daiz, but you can’t stop the future.
use pot player for palying 10bit….
hxxp://www.videohelp.com/tools/PotPlayer
and i recommending it to you all to install the update too…just latest will do fine.
so….
QUALITY just became quality?
I mean, your stuff from before was good and clean, easy to read words and stuff.
whats the difference, other than the file size?
It’s supposed to look better too
So 10bit is there, and where is the certain chinese cartoon?
Understandably, a lot of people will be having headaches with this piece of news.
The major advantage of this is Australian, Southeast Asian and other countries that impose bandwidth limitation on huge files. If h10p can reduce filesize while delivering the same quality, these guys will be most likely to kiss whoever sits at Commie-sub’s feet for delivering so.
Time to man up, gentlemen.
umm the cccp is from july and I’m very sure I already tried playing a 10bit file and it didn’t work at all.
Do I have to update CoreAVC seperately or did the group that released the 10bit file just suck?
You have to update CoreAVC to 3.0 separately if you use it, obviously. Otherwise the July CCCP is perfectly able to decode 10bit (and is apparently better than CoreAVC 3.0 at the moment). Uninstall everything playback-related and install CCCP from scratch if all else fails.
Just uninstall coreavc unless you absolutely need it
YOU CAN ALSO INSTALL MARIA CODEC PACK.
>yfw anime brought the future
Anime in Hi10p while mainstream movies are still in .avi
Hell yeah. Now we just need to spread it in every corner of the internet
10 bit is the future yes but I think that Hi10 support is still too young.
Yeah the quality and the filesize are good.
But it is a pain when we use players with internal codecs, HTPC which relies on hardware acceleration and smartphones.
A Galaxy SII can eat H264 1080p High Profile with bitrates of 18Mbits/s, I use it everyday when I go to work but of course it doesn’t have Hi10 support :/
I have to agree with this. I hope they’ll at least continue with the 480p encodes using more standard encoding for the sake of things like this. I have an Archos 43 “Internet Tablet” (basically a PDA running Android with a great resolution for its size) that’s an exceptionally capable PMP among other things but of course if it ever supports this it would only be via 100% software rendering and I doubt it would handle it well at all even with CPU optimizations (as with MoboPlayer for instance.)
I think that, as unfortunate as it may be, it’s unlikely that embedded devices will be supporting this very well in the near future and just to be clear, “embedded” doesn’t necessarily mean a toy. I find that this Archos 43 makes for an excellent way to watch shows not just on the go, but sometimes even at home. I was so happy with it because I could just watch shows as-is (it even handles soft-subs in containers like Matroska perfectly! No need for me to reencode even to put subtitles in the videos.) It sort of defeats the purpose of portability if you have to reencode everything before you can actually watch it IMO. Unless you have a really fast system, you pretty much could just be watching instead of encoding…
BTW, how many HTPCs really NEED hardware encoding all that badly? I built an extremely minimalist PC a while back designed to be as cheap as possible and it ran up to around $220 or so. Even with a cheap low end single core processor it seems to be able to handle 1080p videos just fine in software. I haven’t tested 10-bit videos on it yet though. Basically they just need to have a modern processor and they should be fine with normal 1080p H.264 probably. I can’t say about 10-bit yet though until I’ve had more time to test it.
My Atrix got a software update recently that let it play mkvs softsubbed with hardware decoding. Trust me I’m rather sad that I can’t use it any more too, but this is why I’ve always looked for a windows tablet. And another thing, it’s not perfect softsub rendering. None of the .ass effects are there, and you have to set your own font.
It’s not hard to make an avs script with ffvideosource and x264 –preset veryfast –profile main –tune animation –crf 18 -o whatever.mp4 to make a PMP compatible encode.
I have done that for a long time for any H264 content until I bought an HTPC with hardware acceleration.
720p software is not an option for my HTPC at this time.
Sorry but i have to leave you thanks for the great work.
What’s good for the group is good for the individual.
so you don’t find that ffdshow plays back 10bit with incorrect chroma values, or that x264 encodes with wrong chroma values? not to mention that Lav Video uses the same incorrect algorithm as ffdshow. madVR is correct but different from ffdshow, creating conflicting output. and since x264 is wrong, it makes madVR look wrong. coreAVC plays it but terribly and isn’t really an option, at least until the next bugfix release. I have no idea what mplayer2 does; going to assume it’s the same as madVR. DiAVC also doesn’t support 10bit yet (not that anyone knows what that is).
I’m not seeing why you’re in such a rush to adopt this. Not a single thing about it is finalized yet. Heck, it’ll be a few weeks before x264 is fixed, let alone all the different filters.
In light of this, I’d like to ask for you to wait slightly longer.
Not that you’ll listen, but w/e
It’s still a few weeks before fall season actually starts, busou shinki just happened to preair.
I think that 10bits is a great plus, but sadly is a CPU eater, so the masses are out. You should release a 8bits alternative versions, to the other 50% (or more) of people tha can not play Hi10p, if you care…. otherwise your downloads wll decrease, again, if you care…
I tell this, in a constructive way (a fan way), and excuse my grammar, rarely i write in english (the cartel crosses frontiers and continets you know?).
You seriously need to upgrade if your cpu can’t handle 10bit 720p.
Well yeah, and i like to do (maybe as a xmas autogift). But you can not pretend that everyone have a 2008+ systems. I have made some tests in 2005-2008 systems (core 2 duo, dual cores, pentiums 4 (fastests ones 3.2ghz), and the only one that play 10bit without problems are the core2duos. So any standard system of 2007 or old, are out of the party.
I am OK with Hi10p be the new standard, but ignore the other profiles is no right (i think). The transission must be and option, not forced.
or you can stop being a pirate.
And if use a Mac? Any options (NVIDIA card for one; CCCP is PC …)?? OR I go back to being screwed.
MPlayer.
>using Mac
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=70005&page=23
10-bit works fine in MPlayer Extended with the new binaries
http://www.mplayerosx.ch/ + https://code.google.com/p/mplayerosx-builds/
OK, great. Thanks. Did the update. Grabbed the Busou file to try out. It plays in MPlayer (OSX Extended) but can see blocking/artifacting throughout, rather noticeable at times. It played in QuickTime7 too (and looked the same). Is it looking that way for other people? (can’t be my CPU (2.66GHz i5 quad))
Go grab the 10bit steins op/ed to check, a webrip isn’t the best thing to compare with.
YOUR MAGICAL 10-bit DOESN’T WORK, LIKE I SAID IT WOULDN’T LIKE 3 MONTHS AGO! I watched your Busou Shinki something and there was STILL banding. So go back to 8-bit. UPSCALING TO 10-bit DOES NOT GET RID OF BANDING IF THE SOURCE HAS ALREADY GOT IT! USE HIGH PROFILE OR BUMP THE BITRATE OR ANYTHING!
it was a webrip you autistsc horsecunt. obviously it would look like shit.
Question: can the PS3 media server handle 10bit? If not, I guess I have to look elsewhere for my releases…
no because no one cares about this shit.
What’s wrong with PS3 media server? It has handled every single commie release of late (non 10bit of course) just fine. And so goes for every other sub group I have followed this year (except for GG and their damn commercials).
If I could get another easy to use stream-via-router-option that can handle 10bit it would be fine.
Using a PS3 as a media server is your first mistake.
I’m sure they already feel bad enough, you don’t gotta rub salt on the wound.
On windows being feed from Avisynth it can, not idea on linux
Avisynth works fine with wine on linux. Try avs2yuv.
Can someone give me a brief idea of what 10bit is, and how this will help my animu? I’ve googled but I’m not sure what to look for exactly.
i usually use teh splayer, anyone know if it supports 10-bit? because ive taken quite a liking to it, its really useful for watching subbed shows..
you should still label the file, it’s a whopping 4-5 characters added into the file name. Plus since not everyone has gone 10bit yet, nice to know what is and isn’t during a season.
Yes, I would appreciate this as well. Since it seems that some of your releases (by Daiz?) will still be 8-bit.
no, once next season starts nothing will be 8bit
CoreAVC 3.0.1 is out. Anyone have it yet?
Updated link.
Fancy karaoke seems to still have problems with this release (blinking, but maybe it’s just me). The blocking and chroma issues seem to have been fixed from the prior release
Same problem over here with mplayer. Seems like a problem with resolutions from 720p and up for me so players may need tweaking.
I’ve read somewhere that it might also be related to DXVA being on while playing as I’m mostly reliant on my GPU when watching 1080p mostly. So, if you have a beefy core, I think it’s worth a shot to turn off DXVA if you use it.
DXVA or any other form of GPU decoding does not and probably will never support 10bit.
Turn off subpicture prebuffering
my problem is I re-encode files for my devices so I can watch them when I journey to work and back. There is currently no support for Hi10 with the conversion software. I am still looking but every time I try to re-encode it it comes out badly pixelated or a grey screen. So yeah … poo!
avisynth + ffvideosource
I need to convert it down to 8bit from what i can tell nothing supports that. And preferably not using avs files seeing as well I am not that much a of a nerd. Give me a normal GUI encoder any day.
CCCP (autoload vsfilter), SUPER + Directshow Decoding
Ah great, now I gotta download mplayer2 or pull from git…. and I was trying to keep this particular comp locked to stable sources only…. thanx a lot, fucktards!! >_>
Hmm, the Stein’s:Gate NCED [10bit] thingy plays fine on my ArchLinux box, but average CPU load is a frickin 20-25% … haven’t tested on the Debian box yet.
I’m sure you fags will fuck up sooner or later, though. =P
Why are you complaining about 20-25%
Cos that’s what this crap old comp I’m using usually shows when playing 1080p, not “low-rez” 720p >_<
A CPU that’s not at 100% usage is a wasted CPU.
Pfft … Windows users =P
Either you have a single-core, where this almost barely qualifies as mattering (and you should get a new CPU), or a multi-core and that 20-25% is just the load per core added up across multiple cores (this is how Linux tools normally specifies CPU usage) and you shouldn’t be worrying (because your maximum is at 200%/400%/whathaveyou).
I would toss lav video into that list of filters you have up there. in my testing, it’s the fastest option currently. madvr is pretty quick too, but you have to use madvr as a renderer to use it, so the speed boost is kind of moot.
I was going to say something about it being illegal for you to have coreavc up there with the link, but then I remembered where I was.
Added.
I’m still confused. As I read it I don’t have to use a different player.
I installed cccp only, but 10bit files don’t play in my usual player and VLC only plays the sound and just shows a green screen. Same with CoreAVC.
Not playing at all shouldn’t come down to the hardware, which I think is good enough to play 10bit.
So wth? Using Win7 btw
You need to use the player that came with CCCP (MPC-HC) obviously.
Hmm I dont think so. Friend has the same setup (cccp, win7) and it works with all players. Guess I’ll try reinstalling again
or, alternatively, you can get the vlc beta, but I wouldn’t recommend that.
btw hooray for 10bit.
I assume that MPC-HC build from CCCP has been tweaked? I’m getting banding/etc. with the official 1.5.2.3456 build when testing with your S;G ED. Can the latter be futzed with to make it work, or will I have to wait for new MPC-HC build (or get from CCCP)?
Uh the latest build is 3677, but for clarity’s sake just use the one that comes with CCCP
I prefer madVR see here:
http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205
PS I know madVR is NOT a player, hit enter to soon…
The player you use a MPC
Holy shit, CoreAVC is working fine with MPC.
buenísimo
Second that. I’ve tested with Coalgirls Yuru Yuri release abd the SG ED. Image is perfect with slower than expected CPU usage.
elitist scum.
Well I for one am stoked about this, because I am one of the people that is having no trouble with Hi10P.
Thankee
10bit works fone for me. So thanks for using it. If you can’t get it to work, you are an idiot. If you bitch about your stupid plastic toy, that’s your problem.
10bit? Epic win. Waiting for Steins:Gate BD ver. in it. And better do not deceive me.
Sincerely
The World